Thieves Oil Vs Standard Mold Remediation

Thieves Oil Vs. Standard Mold Remediation Treatments
by Jacquelyn A Close, Copyright 2012, 2013 and 2014

Standard Mold Remediation and The Close Protocol are similar in many respects. Both require the identification of sources of mold, repairing all leaks and eliminating sources of excess moisture, as well as removing mold-infested materials.

How do they differ?

The Close Protocol uses eco-friendly plant extracts called essential oils instead of the Standard Mold Cleaning or Mold Killing chemical compounds. Essential oils are non-toxic and Standard Mold Cleaning or Mold Killing compounds are generally toxic and hazardous chemicals that are not eco-friendly and are known to be potentially damaging to both people and the environment.

Diffusing essential oils addresses mold spores in the air and on surfaces. Standard chemical compounds do one of those but not both.

The Close Protocol also requires before and after sampling to document the effectiveness of the remediation. Most Standard Mold Remediation does not employ before and after sampling because it is known that mold will likely still be present in the air following Standard Mold Remediation procedures. Also the costs for Standard Mold Remediation in a 1200 sq ft home will most often start between $8,000 and $10,000 and go up, while the costs for using The Close Protocol in a 1200 sq ft home are most often between $500 and $3,000. That is more than roughly a 70% reduction in costs. This cost reduction is realized through a number of means, including but not limited to less labor, less material is required to be removed and replaced, and fewer pieces of equipment are required for the same job.

The following table compares the Essential Oil used in The Close Protocol with two of the most commonly used Standard Mold Cleaning Products. 



COMPARISON
YL Thieves Oil  vs.  Standard Mold Cleaning Products


YL Thieves Oil
Sporicidin
EnviroCon
Contains Hazardous Chemicals

No

Yes

Yes
Kills Mold Spores
No*
Yes
Yes
Eliminates Mold
Yes
No
No
Treats Air
Yes
No

No
Deodorizes Air
Treats Surfaces
Yes
Yes
No
Used in Hospitals, Homes, Restaurants, Office Buildings, Motels, Hotels, and Vehicles


Yes


Yes


Yes
People May Remain in the Building During Treatment

Yes

Yes

Yes**
EPA Rated
No***
Yes
Yes
Can Be Used Even When Chemically Sensitive Occupants Are Present

Yes

No

No
Eliminates odors
Yes
No
Yes
*Thieves Oil Digests Mold Spores and does not leave dead mold spores that may cause allergies.
**Studies show that this damages wiring, metals, other building materials when used in concentrations that are strong enough to kill mold.
*** Contains no hazardous chemicals, thus no EPA oversight required.

34 comments:

  1. Wow, I don't think I've ever heard of thieves' oil before. It sounds like it works really well for getting rid of mold. My wife and I just discovered some mold a couple of nights ago. We're not really sure how deep the problem goes though, so it's probably time to contact a mold remediation company to come and take a look. It's helpful to know what chemicals work the best though. Thanks for the information! http://www.sw-restoration.com/mold-remediation/

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  3. Hi, you are easy to find online if searching for natural ways to eliminate mold! I was looking for diffusers and also for a non chemical way to work on the mold in our attic that is about 1000 square feet. I was quoted around 4K from a local remediation group and a bit steep for me right now. Found your very interesting information as well as a NEW Therapro Diffuser for a bit more discounted price from eBAY. Right place and time I guess and look forward to starting the process. picking up a copy of your book as well. if you have any suggestions I am all ears! Paula

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  4. how do I order your book and how do become a distributor in Australia.
    Debra Galey
    galeydebramary1@gmail.com

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    1. Hi Debra - Just click on the WHAT TO ORDER page and then select the link for Open Your Account. It will ask you which Country you are located in during the process of opening your account.

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  5. Which is the best diffuser to buy?

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    1. Hi Sandy - Please visit our 2016 DIFFUSER RECOMMENDATIONS page on this website for the most current information.

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  6. I understand that the oils can kill the mold and take care of the spores but when they are destroyed the put out mycotoxins which are the reason we get sick in the first place. So do the oils deactivate the mycotoxins as well? My understanding is that only ammonia can do that. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you both for the priceless work you are doing! You are a blessing!!

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  7. Hi Sandra - Our clients have not been interested in doing mycotoxin testing, so we have no scientific data to substantiate an answer. However, we believe the mycotoxins are eliminated because people feel so much better after diffusing and they have consistently reported this over the past 10 years. If you or others should have mycotoxin testing done, please share your results with others.

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  8. Hey!

    I appreciate the way you have mentioned useful and valuable information regarding mold remediation as Close protocol.

    Mold is a serious threat to mankind and it needs to be cured as soon as it gets identified by the owner .It can be present anywhere in the home where there are wet surroundings.

    Toxic Mold keeps on spreading its stinky smell and various disorders.If mold is at small scale you can clean it by your own but if it is widespread then it is highly recommended to go for mold remediation professionals.

    Keep doing good work!

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    1. Hi. So I buy the oils and diffuser and diffuse for up
      To 72 hours for initial protocol. Am I purchasing the bottle of thieves household cleaner to wash down my walls, counters, put in washing machine, wipe
      Down the floors etc? Thank you.

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  9. sorry, may have missed something but what is your dilution or concentration for this protocol.
    what concentrations are strong enough to kill black mold. is this blend to be used concentrated as it just pour it out of a bottle on a rag and rub it on the drywall. What about the contamination from that alone? and of course one 30 ml bottle would maybe cover one rage and one 24 x24 space? how often if required to reapply. In all honesty, are all the ingredients required or is this to better selll the product?

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    1. Hi -
      The details of the protocol are spelled out in our book: Nature's Mold Rx, the Non-Toxic Solution to Toxic Mold. That is available on Amazon and elsewhere.

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  10. Hi there,
    Just finished reading your book, Natures Mold Rx - excellent!!
    would you think that the same process could be used on a car. I have recently acquired a used car with major mold problem from having sat for three years. The sunroof and engine-bay drains have all been blocked with leaves and the car has got wet inside. The mold is on the dash, steering wheel and leather seats in the front. so, diffuse for 48 to 72 hours and then use the Household cleaner to remove the residue? I have a separate regimen for treating the leather after this. I would really appreciate your thoughts, Thank you so much.

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    1. Sounds like a good plan. Diffusing Thieves for 24-72 hours and then cleaning everything with the Thieves Household Cleaner undiluted - be sure to test a spot that isn't visible first because it can damage paints, finishes, and colors as they are almost all hydrocarbon based and the oils break down hydrocarbons -- then diffuse again for at least 24 hours.

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  11. Cool post, thanks! Anyway, have you heard about online data rooms? It really helps my businesses to keep the documents stored securely online.

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  12. No Sun Ivey - Have not heard of that.

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  13. Hey Jacqui, I noticed that in the comparison table, Thieves Oil is listed as No* in killing mold spores? Does that mean that diffusing Thieves Oil is not capable of killing mold spores and the mycotoxins?

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    1. Hi Joel - Thieves oil does not kill the spores, as a herbicide or pesticide or fungicide will do, but actually encapsulates the spores and digests or decomposes them completely. There are no bits and pieces of the spores left over after diffusing. They are not just killed, they are completely gone, no longer present in any form. And there is nothing left to cause or create allergic reactions or mycotoxins. That is one of the major difference between using the Thieves oil and using other treatments.

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    2. Hi Jacqui,
      Just playing the devils advocate here. I am curious. Just how does the oil "encapsulate" and "digest" the spore. Is there any scientific data to back this up? One would think that there would always be a by-product or waste associated with "digestion". Just where does it go? And as mycotoxins are gases that are present after mold is gone, how does diffusing deal with mycotoxins in its gaseous state? I am really curious because as a professional in the mold industry, I am always looking for less toxic methods for my clients and operations.

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    3. Hi Gary - Ed Close, PhD, PE -- Environmental Engineer, did a substantial amount of testing to determine what happens to the spores and all the testing showed that they were not present in any form after the diffusing. Even when they had been present at high levels prior to diffusing the Thieves essential oil. We don't have enough data to answer your question about mycotoxins, only have annecdotal reports for over 10 years that people who were having health problems before doing the diffusing did not have problems after diffusing, which strongly suggests that mycotoxins are also eliminated. Thank you for your question.

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  14. Hi Jacqui! The Thieves made a major difference on the spore count in my home but not so sure about the mycotoxins. Could you point me to some research or something to substantiate the dissolution of mycotoxins. I want to be sure my house is safe to move back into. Thank you so much! Sandi

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    1. Hi Sandi - I replied to your request for information on mycotoxins in September last year. Here is that information again:
      Our clients have not been interested in doing mycotoxin testing, so we have no scientific data to substantiate an answer. However, we believe the mycotoxins are eliminated because people feel so much better after diffusing and they have consistently reported this over the past 10 years. If you or others should have mycotoxin testing done, please share your results with others.

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  15. ok, this doesn't make sense, and is not clear: dissolves the spores. How? what is the action? and what was the test? lab? air samples? Can you please explain? thank you.

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  16. Hi Scott -

    We are not certain what action is actually occurring, however, Dr. Ed Close did both air tests and tape lift samples. The tape lift samples and air samples showed very high spore counts prior the diffusing. After diffusing there were either no spores or very few spores in samples collected indoors. Our book which is available on Amazon provides in depth analysis and reporting on sampling done at over 20 sites. The tape lift samples were even cultured to determine if spores were present and none were found. If my explanation is still not sufficient, please review the book, and let me know. I will ask Ed Close to respond personally.

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  17. Hi, Ph.D. Applied Mathematician here (also affected by mycotoxin exposure in a WDB at university). Here's an educated guess about how Thieves Oil could work, and my understanding / clarification of what the "digestion" process means for mycotoxins. So, it's been known for a while in the scientific literature that various essential oils degrade mycotoxins (see links below). From what I've found, the degradation process is described as happening "enzymatically". So what does this mean? Essential oils are fat (because it's oil), and mycotoxins are fat soluble, which means that mycotoxins bind to fat molecules. So, diffusing something like Thieves Oil into a mycotoxin-filled environment means that the mycotoxins will bind to the oil particulates like crazy. Now, enter the degradation / digestion / enzymatic process. Once the mycotoxin is bound to an appropriate essential oil, the mycotoxin molecule is digested via "enzymatic activity", and subsequently broken apart into a form that is no longer allergenic or toxic. A good analogy/example of such an enzymatic process would be Lye -- if you apply pure Lye onto your skin, you'll chemically burn the heck out of your skin. However, if you mix Lye with HCl (hydrochloric acid), the HCl "digests" the Lye molecules and produces Salt and water. And so the by-product of this digestion process is now completely harmless. I'd imagine that the degradation or "digestion" of mycotoxins by Thieves Oil is similar. I'm sure there's some kind of a end-product produced, but, as Jacqui said many times here, we know from an overwhelming number of observations that this end-product is harmless (like the Salt and Water). Hope this helps clarify some things!

    http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=jm.2015.222.229&org=10
    (The Introduction in this one was the most helpful)

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03601234.2016.1191887?journalCode=lesb20

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214799316300959

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    1. Wow! Thank you so much Erica Mc. Your input is most appreciated.

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  18. Hi Jacqui, thank you for sharing so many great details on how to go about cleaning and diffusing. We have gone through the info in your book as well as your blog and video, have our Thieves oil blend on the way to our home, and are anxious to get started. (our HERTSMI-2 score came back at a 24 " Re-occupancy is ill-advised until further remediation ....") So we will diffuse lots of concentrated Thieves! And in the meanwhile I will be looking for ways to help my body heal from the chronic symptoms that I believe have been the effect of the mold in our home. Can you pass on anything that you have learned in this area. We have tried so many things over this past 6 and a half years. But, not giving up yet. Please share with me if you will. Thank you, and God bless ya, Mommy B.

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    1. Hi Mommy B - Thank you for your kind words. We are always glad to hear that someone has used the protocol and felt they benefited from that and our many materials available to support folks looking to address mold in buildings. You will find some additional support in our CD "Essential Oils vs Mold" which is available on our Publications Page. Just click on this link or copy and paste it to your browser and scroll down till you see that. http://www.naturesmoldrx.com/p/books-and-publications-by-edward-r.html

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  19. Do you believe that an item such as a bed should be discarded or it will be treated by diffusing and/or spraying with household cleaner? Thank you.

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  20. I am not the person to ask. We are currently using the protocol for the first time. We did an ERMI test, and are diffusing right now. We will wait a few weeks following the diffusing days and then do another ERMI test, which was our own choice of testing, to see what kind of results we get. Right now we are hoping that all of the items in our home will benefit from the diffusing. This is quite an experiment (traveling into the great unknown), though, and I'd love to hear what kind of results others who've used this protocol have found regarding their porous items in their homes (including mattresses, upholstered furniture, books, wall decorations). My understanding is that everything in the room is going to get treated by the concentrated ultra-fine mist of the essential oils. Let me know if you learn anything. ... or if anyone else out there has more info to share.

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  21. I have a question about cleaning items. We have moved out of our home and want to clean the things we are keeping before moving back into it. I have used used some thieves cleaner on things undiluted but they feel sticky. Am I not understanding something?

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